House was perfect for our family get together. Clean, plenty of space. The host was great to work with.
- Tricia , Posted: 1/20/2026
Thank you for your review! We hope to host you again!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Amazing property. The setting was beautiful and we enjoyed the hot tub while watching leaves fall from the trees. The house was incredible. So much space and interesting things to look at in the house. Responsive hosts were helpful! I’d love to make this location an annual trip.
- Christopher , Posted: 11/23/2025
Thank you for your thoughtful review. We’re glad you appreciated the spaciousness and unique character of the house, as well as the peaceful setting and hot tub views. We also appreciate your honest feedback about the validation process and understand your concerns. We hope to welcome you back for another visit in the future.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Great stay, in person truly does look better than the pictures. The only thing missing is aluminum foil
- Brandon , Posted: 11/16/2025
Thanks so much for your kind words! We're glad the place exceeded your expectations and appreciate the tip about the foil—next time, we'll make sure it's stocked.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Beautiful home! Would like to come back someday :) Had lasting family memories here. It's a good place with gorgeous antiques throughout.
- Audrey , Posted: 11/2/2025
Thank you very much for your lovely review. We're so glad the home and its antiques helped create special family memories, and we look forward to welcoming you back in the future.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Property is fantastic, pool is exceptional. House is very well-stocked. The attention to detail is outstanding. Would highly recommend a stay here.
- Matt , Posted: 10/14/2025
Thank you very much for your thoughtful review. We're glad the property and pool met your expectations and that you appreciated the details we put into your stay. We look forward to having you with us again next year.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Another absolutely wonderful weekend in South Haven. This is our group’s 2nd Anchor Point property (we stayed at Lamb Haven last fall) and we weren’t disappointed. Everything was perfectly clean and well-stocked. The pool and hot tub were clean. The location was very convenient to the beach and the downtown area for shopping. We’ll definitely be back to one of Anchor Point’s properties.
- Jaclyne , Posted: 10/5/2025
Thank you very much for your thoughtful review and for staying with us again. We're glad you had a wonderful weekend and found everything to your liking. We appreciate your feedback about the address and are happy you managed to locate the property. We look forward to welcoming you back in the future.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
The house was all we could have asked for. My 5 siblings and their spouses all had plenty of room including a private bathroom for all. The kitchen was the best equipped that any of us had ever seen. The property management team kept in touch, but I cannot rate their response time since absolutely nothing needed their attention. I hope to use this property again and would recommend it with no reservations.Thank you so much for the great memories.
- George , Posted: 9/22/2025
Thank you for your kind review, we are happy to hear your group enjoyed their stay and we look forward to hosting you again!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Everything was perfect for our weekend celebrating my husband’s 40th birthday. We’re a crew who loves to cook and the kitchen had everything we needed (and more). Comfortable beds, quiet surroundings — we had a great, relaxing time. Thank you!
- Alayna , Posted: 8/20/2025
Thank you very much for your thoughtful review. We’re glad the kitchen and peaceful setting helped make your husband’s birthday weekend special. We appreciate your notes about the lamps and knives and will keep them in mind. It means a lot that you’re considering returning with your family. We hope to welcome you back again sometime.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
A Perfect Getaway!We had an amazing stay at this vacation property! From the moment we arrived, everything was seamless. The check-in process was incredibly easy and stress-free, which set the tone for a relaxing trip.The home itself is beautiful, clean, and thoughtfully maintained. The highlight for us was definitely the pool – crystal clear, and surrounded by a peaceful, setting. The children spent hours swimming and playing in the water.The kitchen was another standout feature. It was impressively well stocked with everything we needed – plenty of cookware, utensils, and even some thoughtful extras!Overall, we couldn't have asked for a better experience.
- Rose , Posted: 8/8/2025
Thank you for the thoughtful review and we are so happy your stay was enjoyable. We hope to see you again in the future!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Week in South Haven
Great property with plenty of room for our large family. Many amenities and convenient location.
- Michael , Posted: 7/29/2025
Thank you, we are happy your group enjoyed your stay, and we hope to host you again.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
We had a fantastic stay at this beautiful home! The house itself was stunning—every room was decorated with such unique and thoughtful touches that made it feel truly special. It was perfect for the whole family, offering both comfort and character. The outdoor area was incredibly spacious, giving us plenty of room to relax and enjoy the surroundings. Everything was clean, well-maintained, and exactly as described. We couldn’t have asked for a better experience. Highly recommended!
Thank You to the owner and Emily for handling everything we needed during our stay.
- Suzie , Posted: 7/6/2025
Thanks for your review, Suzie! Pleasure hosting you.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Wow! Talk about a beach oasis! My 3 boys were beyond excited about the pool, the hottub, the giant outdoor chess, the game room and so much more!!! There were so many antique touches throughout the home. The place is also so spacious and perfect for your big or small group! I even saw that the Globetrotters stayed here! We would 100% come back and enjoy everything the home and South Haven has to offer. The hosts are also so responsive and kind. Thanks for the welcome gift upon arrival and an absolute dream stay!
- Stephanie , Posted: 7/1/2025
Thank you for your thoughtful review! We loved hosting you, Stephanie.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
we stayed here with our two adult children and their families. There were eleven of us in all, including five children, ages 2 through 8. The home is gorgeous, with well-appointed bedrooms, beautiful bathrooms, a very well-quipped kitchen, and plenty of outdoor activities. Our grandkids loved the games in the basement - pool, air hockey and ping pong. The pool was a bit small, but they still had a great time in it. The home also had some very endearing touches, like the nautical theme throughout, and some fun additions, like a real working organ on the third floor. This home really was perfect for us because of the six bedrooms, which we needed.
The area surrounding this home is so pretty, lots of trees and so peaceful. We had a great time here in South Haven.
- Pam , Posted: 6/20/2025
Thank you very much for your thoughtful review. We’re glad you enjoyed the home and the peaceful setting around South Haven. We appreciate your helpful feedback and the time you took to share your experience.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Great house. Stayed with three families and had plenty of room for us all. Kitchen is fully stocked.
- Stephen , Posted: 6/9/2025
Thanks for your review, Stephen!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
This home exceeded our expectations! A fully stocked, gourmet kitchen with plenty of seating and overflow areas. Bright, fresh and clean with exceptional detail in every area bth indoors snd outdoors. Our children and grandchildren loved the warm pool (81 degrees) and of course the in-ground jacuzzi was amazing and relaxing. Loved having bikes available to ride to the beaches snd beyond. Downtown South Haven is minutes away; great restaurants, a Speakeasy opens Thursday-Sunday. Farmers Market at the pavilion offers local foods and gifts every Saturday and Wednesday 8am-2pm. Every morning and evening we watched the deer 🦌 just outside the sunroom windows. Our family said that this home set a high bar.
- Sandy , Posted: 6/4/2025
Sandy, we're so glad that we got the opportunity to host you at Fern Creek! Also, I am glad to hear that you enjoyed dining at The River Bottom downtown and got to visit the farmer's market as well. Sounds like you made the most of your trip. I wanted to let you know that the owner of Fern Creek has three other properties in South Haven, all with similar amenities and design style. We hope you'll keep us in mind for your next trip!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Perfect Get-Away
Stayed the week with our college age kids and several of their friends. The house was perfect in every way. In addition to being clean and spacious, it was the best equipped house I’ve ever rented for hosting a larger group. The kitchen was stocked with all the essentials and then some. (There’s a stand alone ice machine for goodness sakes.). There were three sets of washers and dryers, three fridges, pool floats, a gazillion bikes — all in great working order. And while we didn’t spend a ton of time on the beach, It’s proximity to South Haven and Saugatuck allowed us to enjoy even the rainy days. Thanks VRBO!
- Tracy , Posted: 6/4/2025
Thank you Tracy and we are happy that you and your group enjoyed your stay!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
This home was absolutely perfect for our group of 12 (6 couples). Stunning property with loads of amenities. The photos do not do this home justice. Anchor Point was very responsive and accommodating given our unexpected change of plans and last-minute booking. It was better than what we could have imagined. Thank you!
- Katie , Posted: 5/18/2025
Katie, we're so glad we were able to welcome you to Fern Creek and turn an unexpected change of plans into a wonderful weekend getaway! We hope you'll come back and stay with us again sometime. Cheers!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Our family enjoyed our stay tremendously. The house is gorgeous, the kitchen is phenomenal with everything you would need to cook. Tons of kids activites and the decor is remarkable! The pool, jacuzzi, multiple fire places and throughout home audio was great! We loved it so much, we never left and extended our stay for an additional night. We look forward to another stay at this location, worth every penny! Thank you for being amazing hosts!
- Chad , Posted: 5/12/2025
So glad you enjoyed your stay, Chad! Thanks for being a great guest and we hope to welcome you back again.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
The home was stunning! Exactly like the photos, and as described. Loved that every room had its own bathroom - plus additional half baths on every floor. Location was perfect - just a quick drive or nice walk into town and across the street from the water. Would absolutely stay here again!
- Debby , Posted: 4/27/2025
Thanks Debby!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
We stay at many Airbnb properties. This one ranks towards the very top. It is a beautiful home with everything you need and more. It was very clean and full of well-appointed antiques. Everything was in working order. Two dishwashers, an ice maker, and even a heated toilet seat! We enjoyed all of the games, which were in wonderful working condition. We walked in and were welcomed by soft music and gifts. It really is a wonderful place to stay. No hesitation to book this is warranted.
- Tanya , Posted: 4/20/2025
This made our day, thank you Tanya! We hope to welcome you back soon!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Great space!
- Ellyn , Posted: 4/13/2025
Thanks Ellyn!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
The host were very welcoming and were attentive to any needs or questions that we had. Our team enjoyed our stay there and everyone in our group thought the layout and space was great for our group (9 people) We had a great meeting space and nice comfy dining area.
Overall our team truly enjoyed our time!
- Kalene , Posted: 3/29/2025
It was our pleasure to host you, Kalene! Thank you for being a fabulous guest!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
I came to this home to celebrate my birthday with a hroup of friends and family! This home was bih enough to accomidate the entire group of 11 with plenty of space. I enjoyed all of the ammenities. The photos do not do the home justice! The beach is way longer than a 2 minute walk but it is only a 5 minute drive down the road. The home is located on a road without walkways so walking may not be the best option. If youre looking at this home, just book it! note check in and check out are not flexible. 4pm-10am
- T , Posted: 3/23/2025
Thank you!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
This home offers a very private experience for a multiple couples vacation. It has many bedrooms and en suite baths for many of the rooms. The house is very well stocked and the appliances are high end. We didn't use the pool or hot tub but we did use the fireplace in the back and in front of house which was nice for cooler nights. The basement has a pool table, ping pong and air hockey to keep kids busy. If you're a serious pool player, just know it's shooting in a basement and you will have to use short sticks they provide. I think you'll need your pool cue because I didn't see normal size ones but we brought our own so I didn't look around for them. All in all this was a very nice home with lots of space for a large group. You will need to drive to the downtown but it's only a few minutes away. Very nice home!
- Mike , Posted: 3/17/2025
Thank you, Mike! We appreciate your review and feedback.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
This place was amazing! Highly recommend to all groups- plenty of space, clean, and such a great location.
- Katherine , Posted: 3/9/2025
Thank you for your review, Katherine! So glad you enjoyed your time!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Awsome home
A home is exactly what this felt like. Great attention to details. We are a group of friends who have been taking various trips together for over 30 years, and we all agree, that this house is the best place we have ever stayed. The bedrooms with attached baths were great for privacy and convenience as we got ready for each day's adventure. Lots of little spots in the house to take a minute to yourself,too.Host was very responsive to any questions we had. Seriously thinking of a return trip.
- Lory , Posted: 1/27/2025
Hi Lory, wow thank you for the great review! How special that your group has been traveling together for 30 years! We are so happy to hear you enjoyed your stay and we do hope to see you for a return trip!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Beautiful spacious home
This was a wonderful property for our family of 12 to spend a long holiday winter weekend. The house was spotless and nicely decorated, the bedrooms were comfortable and each had their own bath, there was plenty of space to spread out and the lower level game room was fun for the kids. We'd love to come back in the summer when the beach and pool can be appreciated.
- Nancy , Posted: 1/20/2025
Thank you, Nancy! We are happy you enjoyed your stay, and we look forward to hosting you in the summer sometime! We would love to have you return.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
We brought 3 generations across 3 families here on vacation. There was plenty of room for everyone to have their own room and for everyone to get together for meals and games. The property was beautiful and clean and kept everyone entertained over a long cold snowy weekend in January. The attention to detail was amazing and was easily the best AB&B we have ever stayed in. We can't wait to come back and enjoy the property over the summer at the beach. I would recommend this location to anyone.
- Sean , Posted: 1/5/2025
So glad you and your family enjoyed your stay! We hope to see you again for the next birthday celebration!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
This airbnb is amazing! Very spacious, clean and has great amenities. We will definitely be back!
- Seán , Posted: 12/15/2024
Thanks for your review, Seán! Hope to host you again sometime!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
It was a wonderful place to have my entire family under on roof. There were 11 of us lots of private space and great kitchen for cooking and gathering. Plus, location is easy to town and beach!
- Jacqueline , Posted: 12/1/2024
Thank you Jacqueline!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
What a fantastic place for our women’s retreat! The house was immaculate, spacious and welcoming. The kitchen was stocked with everything we needed to cook delicious meals together and there was plenty of space for everyone to feel comfortable and at home. Public access to the beach was a few minutes walk away and at this time of year, we had miles of beach to ourselves. The neighborhood was quiet, and there was very little traffic. South Haven was a short drive with fun shopping and cute restaurants. The host was very pro-active and the communication was clear and helpful. We are already planning next week’s trip!
- Mary , Posted: 11/24/2024
Thank you very much for your review and feedback, Mary! We loved hosting you.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
The house was incredible, matched only by the responsive hospitality with unmatched attention to detail. It was extremely clean and equipped with every possible thing you need in the kitchen. The pool and hot tub exceeded expectations.
- Matt , Posted: 10/14/2024
Hi Matthew! It was such a pleasure hosting you, and I'm glad I got to meet your mom! We hope to welcome you and the whole family back for the next birthday celebration! Thank you for being such wonderful guests!! -Emily
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Wedding weekend rental
This home is amazing! The house itself is beautiful and spacious. We were not expecting each room to have its own attached bathroom and certainly not 3 laundry rooms! It was perfect for our large group, at no point did we feel crowded or on top of each other. Exploring the house was half the fun, all weekend we kept finding/noticing new decorations and amenities we hadn’t previously noticed. I’m so happy we chose this rental for our wedding weekend!
- Emily , Posted: 10/7/2024
Thank you, Emily! We are happy you enjoyed your stay, and we hope to see you again in the future!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Amazing Girlfriend Getaway in MI!!
Absolutely loved this home! Truly a gem! We enjoyed everything about the house - stunning well stocked kitchen, comfortable bedding, lovely bathrooms, amazing backyard with pool/hot tub, tastefully decorated and so immaculately clean! Location was perfect - close to beach, shopping, restaurants. Hope to be back next year!!
- Susan , Posted: 9/29/2024
Thank you, Susan! We are happy you enjoyed your stay and hope to see you back next year!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
From the very first peek at this home, it was perfect for us. Plenty of furniture to sit on but we hung out around the dining table 80% of the time. Everyone commented on the comfort of the beds. Any item that we needed for cooking or prepping was available to us in the kitchen. We appreciated the "extras" that were in drawers, on shelves, in the pantry or in a basket. EVERY need was well thought-out and available to us. We did not need but loved the extra fridge and freezer in the garage. And the "extras" in the garage! Originally, before we ever arrived, we talked about the games in the back yard yet never played while we were there. It's very family friendly. Readers that have issues with stairs should be advised that there is a lower, main, 2nd and 3rd floor. A master bed and bath on the main level is quite spacious as well as a walk-in shower. This home has plenty of room to spread out inside and out.
We are already talking about a return trip to this home.
- Cherrise , Posted: 9/18/2024
Thank you so much for the amazing review! Sounds like you found every nook and cranny of the house—except maybe the yard games, but there's always next time, right? We're so glad you enjoyed all the little extras, and we can't wait to have you back for round two!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Ok so this placing is ABSOLUTELY stunning! We came out for a girls trip, and it was better than I could have imagined! No stone is left unturned with this beauty! They even had 7 bikes available to ride, not that we did with that amazing backyard! I would stay it is better suited for adults! They have it decorated so nice Ild be afraid to take my black lab or toddlers there!
- Annie , Posted: 9/15/2024
Thank you for the lovely review! We're so glad you enjoyed your girls' trip and the backyard. We do put a lot of care into the details, so it means a lot to hear you appreciated it. And just so you know, we happily welcome dogs and kids, too—everyone's welcome! 🐾Hope to host you again soon!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Great house for a group!
- Madeline , Posted: 9/8/2024
So glad you liked it! Thanks for your review.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
The house exceeded our expectations. The home was spacious, very well laid out, and each room had its own bathroom. The pool and hot tub were wonderful. Quick walk to the beach and short drive to down town. The host was very responsive which is a huge plus. We highly recommend this unit and host
- Shawn , Posted: 9/3/2024
Thanks Shawn! Hope to welcome you back soon!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
We really enjoyed our stay at Fern Creek. The house was gorgeous, full of amenities and all the necessities that any family might need. We truly enjoyed the outdoor pool and the game room downstairs. We could barely get the kids out of the pool! Location is beautiful as well.
The property manager was super helpful, and so nice! The house was clean and inviting. We truly had a fun and peaceful stay for our family. Would highly recommend this location.
- Rosie , Posted: 8/30/2024
Thanks for the wonderful review! We're so glad you enjoyed your stay at Fern Creek—sounds like the kids had a blast in the pool! We’d love to welcome you back for more fun in the sun!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Exceptional
Amazing property and upkeep. Offered everything the listing indicated. My family had an enjoyable time.
- Janine , Posted: 8/23/2024
Thank you, Janine! We are happy that you and your family enjoyed your stay!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Great space, very comfortable, and plenty of room for our family. Host was very responsive, would definitely stay again.
- Andrew , Posted: 8/14/2024
Overall our stay was excellent. The house and backyard were absolutely gorgeous. Everything was immaculate and clean. Very close to the beach. The hosts were responsive and extremely helpful when I reached out. 100% would stay again it was a wonderful time.
- Amanda , Posted: 7/10/2024
July 4th Get Away
Awesome location, nice home. Highly recommend!!!
- DANIEL , Posted: 7/8/2024
Thank you, we hope to see you back in the future!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
incredible! Responsive and helpful hosts, super clean space, amazing outdoor living, the home was so spacious! I absolutely would stay again, my entire family had a great time. kitchen was so well stocked with basics, and we were well supplied with paper towels, toilet paper and trash bags, etc. highly recommend - easy parking and close to town!
- Casey , Posted: 6/10/2024
The hosts were very responsive and the house was as described. There was plenty of room for all 12 of us with lots of washers, dryers, showers and beds. The pool was saltwater which we were not aware of but I wish it was stated in the description. It is a short walk to the beach and the downtown area was very easy to get to. The game room in the basement was wonderful with a pool table, air hockey and ping pong table. We had a great time and would use this host again!
- Debbie , Posted: 6/6/2024
Hi Debbie, we're so glad to hear you enjoyed your stay! Thank you very much for your feedback about the pool, I am going to add that to the guidebook for future guests. Hope to host you again in the future!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
The home was absolutely lovely. Hosts were incredible and the house had everything you could possibly need. We stayed at Anchor Point for my dad’s 60th birthday weekend and the kitchen had every baking tool imaginable - we were even able to bake him a cake! We felt right at home. My only regret is not extending our stay for a week. 10/10 would absolutely stay again.
- Julia , Posted: 6/2/2024
Julia, thanks so much for your kind words. We loved hosting you!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
We had a fabulous time staying at Fern Creek for my 40th birthday! Emily was so helpful start to finish with the booking process and during our stay. There were 10 of us and everyone had more than comfortable accommodations. We will definitely be back!
- Edith , Posted: 4/28/2024
It was great meeting you Edie! Thanks so much for your kind words. -Emily
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
My family had a wonderful time at this beautiful location.
You could see and hear the lake across the street.
There were so many interesting antiques to look at and discuss.
Had lots of fun in the game room on the cold nights.
The house had everything you could possibly need. And if I had a question or concern, the response was almost immediate.
- Valida , Posted: 4/21/2024
Valida, thanks for your kind words! We're so happy you enjoyed your stay and hope to host you again in the future.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Highly recommend this home for anyone looking in the South Haven area. It has all of the amenities you could ask for and is in a great location, about a 5 minute walk to the beach. Clear instructions including a guidebook were provided prior to check in. The home is stunning, clean and perfect for a large group or family!
- Rebecca , Posted: 4/14/2024
South Haven Gem
What sets this home apart is the attention to detail throughout. The 6 bedrooms with en suites accommodated our large group very comfortably. We especially enjoyed playing ping pong, pool, and air hockey as well as relaxing in the hot tub. Emily at Anchor Point was fantastic at managing all of the details of our stay. Highly recommend this property! Can't wait to return.
- Bill , Posted: 4/11/2024
Thank you, Bill, for the thoughtful review. Both the owner and Emily take a lot of pride in hosting! We are happy to hear you enjoyed your stay and we hope to see you again in the future!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
Spring Break Family Gathering
What a fantastic home - well attended to and attentive to all of the guests and details. A very special place!
- Jason , Posted: 3/30/2024
We are happy to hear you enjoyed your stay and we hope to see you again in the future!
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted:
I can't bgin to adequately describe the beauty and serenity of this property. When we entered we were instantly transported to historic Americana. Every inch of this home has been masterfully curated to excite the senses. Our family had so much looking at all of the photos and antiques.
No need to pack much more than your clothing at this prpoerty. They have considered your every need. Everytime our family was about to head out to the store we found just what we needed. The kitchen is beyond stocked with anything you may need for entertaining both indoors and out.
The game room is fully stocked allowing us all to get in on the fun. The hot tub was perfect on those chilley days. There are two gas fire places that were perfect for warming up after a walk from the beach that is only 4 min away.
The integrated sound system and smart tvs kept us entertained and celebrating. While the upstairs famiky room is perfect for resting away from the rest.
Our family will definitely be back.
- Gloria , Posted: 2/20/2024
Gloria, thanks so much for your review! It really means a lot to us. I'm so glad you enjoyed the hot tub, entertainment options, and stocked kitchen. Thank you again for your kind words and feedback, we hope to host you again in the future.
- Anchor Point Premier Vacations staff, Posted: